WG on Authorship: Next Mtg Jan. 11th

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Dear Colleagues,

Most of you have responded to my note of Dec. 31st, and have confirmed that you would be available for the proposed phone conference on Tuesday, January 11th, at 6:00am California time, which translates to
      9:00   US Eastern Time
     15:00  Central European Time
     23:00  Japan Time

The Conference Call is set up for 90 minutes starting at this time:
     Passcode:        286434 
     Dial-in number:  US 973-321-2000

I had asked Pippa Wells to reserve a room at CERN with a speaker phone,
with international calling, and a PC with a beamer projector so several us can join the meeting from there.  Unfortunately I have not heard from Pippa yet.
Could you Steinar take on these arrangements, and let me know where we can meet?
Also, I have not heard from Lorenzo, Max, Gregor, (and Pippa).  May be they are not yet
back from vacation?!

So far the following persons have offered to provide material and/or
make a presentations:
     Hiro  -    Belle authorship
     Jacques -  BABAR publications
     Dmitri -   Authorship for LIGO and SLOAN
     Taku  -    Comments on authorship 
     Vera -     Selective Authorship

Let me know if there is anything else, I will try and set up the agenda such that
you can place links for easy access,

I hope to be in touch on Tuesday,

Vera
     

-----Original Message-----
From: Luth, Vera G. 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:17 PM
To: Luth, Vera G.; 'Lorenzo.Foa@cern.ch'; 'aihara@hep.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp'; 'klein@ifh.de'; 'hans-ake.gustafsson@kosufy.lu.se'; 'denisovd@fnal.gov'; 'Pippa.Wells@cern.ch'; 'danielw@fnal.gov'; 'jack.sandweiss@yale.edu'; 'steinar.stapnes@fys.uio.no'; 'taku@hep.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp'; 'herten@uni-freiburg.de'; 'Michal.turala@cern.ch'; Chauveau, Jacques
Cc: c11authorship-ss
Subject: WG on Authorship: Next Mtg Jan. 11th

Dear Colleagues,

At our first phone meeting we discussed various tasks that will help us to assess the question of authorship in large collaborations.  We agreed that we meet again in January and report on various finding.  
I would like to propose Tuesday, January 11th, for the next phone conference, again at 6:00am California time, which translates to
      9:00   US Eastern Time
     15:00  Central European Time
     23:00  Japan Time
Please let me know whether you can attend the conference on that day.
As a fall back I suggest Wednesday, January 12th at the same time.
I am planning to be at CERN, January 10th  (afternoon) to 11th, and then in Paris from January 12th (afternoon) to Saturday, January 15th.
I am prepared to set up the conference, but would like to ask Pippa Wells to reserve a room at CERN with a speaker phone and a beamer projector so several us can join the meeting from there.

Based on the preliminary discussions in Beijing and then at the phone meeting I have suggested some home work in preparation for a report on the assessment of the past and current situation. Some of you have volunteered  to take one or the other task, I hope others will take up these assignments and give a preliminary report during the next meeting.  The best would be that you post your notesto yjr hypernews so everybody can follow your presentation at the next meeting.

Sorry, the time is short, but this might focus the effort.

1)  Overview of past publications for existing collaborations
                                
      To obtain an overview of various types of publications and how 
      individuals get recognition as authors, it would be useful 
      for a few experiments to summarize the publication record, 
      differentiating at least two phases of the experiments
           i) design, construction and commissioning 
          ii) steady operation
      There are three different types of publications, journal articles, 
      preprints including conference contributions, and invited talks 
      at conferences and workshops that are published.
                                
      We should list the number of papers/year and the average number 
      of authors in each of the three types and distinguish between  
        A:        physics results
        B:        physics notes on analysis techniques
        C:        software and computing
        D:        electronics and DAQ
        E:        instrumentation

     Who is volunteering to collect this information for past and current experiments: 
        OPAL:  Pippa Wells
        BABAR:          Jacques Chauveau
        CDF :  Daniel Whiteson ?
        H1/ZEUS         Max Klein ?



2) Selection of Authors by Belle:

      While the tradition has been to list all members of the collaboration 
      as authors, Belle has chosen a sign-up for each paper.  
      The question was posed:
      What is the distribution of the number of papers signed by individual 
      members of the Belle Collaboration?  Are there individuals who sign 
      all papers, or have most members signed about half the papers?
      Hiro Aihara, could you provide us with this distribution?  
      Possibly for the early period when this sign-up procedure was 
      first introduced and more recently?  
      Can you also report on how many papers have authors listed in 
      alphabetical order, and how many papers have selected primary authors first.  
      Do you allow for more than on primary author?  If yes, how many?  

3) Authorship in other fields of research requiring large teams

      Can we explore practices in other fields with large teams?  
      Who is volunteering to collect this information?
         Astronomy or astrophysics         Dimitri Denisov? Anybody else?
         Nuclear Physics                   Jack Sandweiss??  Hans-Ake Gustafson?
         Genetics?                                    ??
         Other fields?
               
   
  4)   Importance of authorship and potential impact of reduced author lists
         
       Somehow we need to examine the pros- and cons, practicality and impact of 
       the current practice in comparison to schemes that might lead to 
       shorter authorlists?

       Can I call on Lorenzo Foa, Taku Yamanaka and Steinar Stapnes to 
       develop some discussion points based on past deliberations?
       We need to get some factual statements rather than hear say!
  
       
So, please let me know whether you will be able to attend the meeting on Jan. 11th, and whether you can make a brief presentation  related to the tasks listed.
If there is anything else you would like to present, please let me also know!

Best wishes for a productive and hopefully more peaceful New Year,

Vera


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